do you remember "To The Lighthouse" well?
we can talk about it...
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Princess Vee |
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first of all... Woolf was MOLESTED by her half-brothers. i wouldn't exactly call that the same thing as having an incestuous relationship, which sounds misleading.
do you remember "To The Lighthouse" well? we can talk about it... |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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molested, whatever.
yes, i remember it well. a very traumatic time in my life. i don't want to talk about it. i hate it. sorry. |
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Princess Vee |
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awwww!! but i have such cool things to tell you about it!
j/k ok. |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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Tell me then.
proove your intellectual superiority. I grew out of that in high school, but I'll humour you. Seriously, however, i think, if we found a new topic, we could have pretty darned interesting discussions about stuff. You seem smart enough, listen, this is a compliment, just take it, so if you like, email me and we can find a new topic which to speak of. if you don't want to, no worries, i'm not petty either. some-kind-of-sunshine@inbox.net dom. |
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Princess Vee |
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... what?
i'm not out to prove my "intellectual superiority" nothing i say about Woolf is original. if you're sick of Woolf, then go respond to my other posts. i have a lot! why else do you think i'm an out of control freak. haha |
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Unregistered(d) |
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Ahhhh... So that's what's that book about? Thanks for telling me a bit. You have NO IDEA how that would help my English group.
Oh and sorry for butting in on you guys' argument. |
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Princess Vee |
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(a little rant first... i spent all this time, writing up a post in response... and then when i posted it, it said this:
"HTML Comments are not allowed" even though i'm pretty sure i didn't have html in my post... so i think the messageboard is officially on crack and i'm pissed off 'cuz now i have to rewrite the whole damn post. grr) ok moving on to more important things. "To The Lighthouse" is mostly autobiographical. Mr and Mrs Ramsey are based on Woolf's own parents. dividing the book into the 3 sections, I. "The Window" takes place in the afternoon to evening of 1913 roundabout. Mrs. Ramsey dominates this section and represents love, marriage, children. The fairytale that she is reading to James is about how men should be in charge, instills patriarchal values... Her husband Mr. Ramsey is stuck on his military exploits, "someone has blundered" he keeps repeating. Lily is Mrs Ramsey's shadow. II. "Time Passes" encompasses 1913- 1923, with WWI in between. The human characters in this section are represented by shadows. Nature and time dominate instead. Andrew dies. Prue dies. This is because they do what their parents want them to do. Mrs. Ramsey desperately tries to keep everything together but everything only falls apart. Woolf is trying to kill the conventions of the Victorian age. Moral codes are dying because they don't work. III. "The Lighthouse" takes place in the morning and noon of 1923 or 1924, around. This section is now dominated by Mr. Ramsey, while the shadow is Mrs. Ramsey's ghost. Lily is 44 years old in the end and not married, Woolf is 44 years old when she finishes this novel. more on the characters, Everything Mrs. Ramsey stands for is Lily's antithesis. Therefore, Lily cannot paint while Mrs. Ramsey is still alive. the phrase "women can't write" refers to Woolf and "women can't paint" refers to Lily, who is modelled after Woolf's sister Vanessa Bell. Mrs. Ramsey dies from giving too much while Lily survives because she doesn't give. Charles Tansley is also Lily's opposite. While Lily is a painter/artist, Charles is a philosopher and relies on scientific reasoning. He is a misogynist and Mr. Ramsey's prodigy. the lighthouse symbolizes hope, future, constancy, goals... one last note on the timing structure of the novel... if you look at the time that each section takes place during... they are fragments of a day that complete one circle and make one day. i.e. afternoon to evening to morning to noon |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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thank you for butting in on the argument.
please. do it again. |
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Princess Vee |
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oh yea that reminds me.
this is not a private conversation/argument. i love Woolf and wish that my love could be as infectious as my teacher's was. |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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this is what worries me. you said, and i quote using the good old copy and paste method...
"i love Woolf and wish that my love could be as infectious as my teacher's was." what you are saying, is that you love Woolf. not that you love her 'work'...perhaps it was what you meant, but you did not say what you meant. if it even was what you meant. you follow? perhaps it was a Freudian slip... this is, of course, not a private converstion, everybody is free to post their own opinions...everybody on this may gang up on me and tell me Woolf was the greatest ever. but i doubt they will. what my long rambling is meant to say...without doubt and ambiguity, is that i think Woolf's work was crap. is crap. i think that Ms.Vee has been taught by a fanatic, (see Sylvia Plath) and the OTT passion for Woolf (and maybe her work) rubbed off. My English teacher was fascinated trains...really...he spent many hours we could have used studying, telling us about the locomotive. his love of trains was not infectious, though he did verge on the fanatical. (i do not love trains. just because my teacher did.) i worries me, that just because you love something, you think everybody else has to. or just because your teacher loved something, you thought you must too. one might suggest taking a step back from what yo know of Woolf, and re-reading her stories. from the postion of joe public, not little Ms. well educated. try seeing what mass appeal Woolf has. that is why i don't like her, because she has no mass appeal. not only that, but because many others wrote about the same type of thing better than her. i hate Angela Carter, who no doubt you love, on the principle that i hate her (if you haven't read her) post-feminist bull. sisters are doing it for themselves. yea yea yea.......... and yes...i actually hate HER. and her books. try reading the bloody chamber. i am sure you will love her. it made me want to put her in one. so there. enough said? |
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Princess Vee |
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OMG, what is your freakin problem?
slow your roll, Mr. when i said i loved Woolf, i meant her writings included. no freudian slip. if i wasn't being anal enough for you, with my choice of words, i'm not sorry because this is an informal message board that i like to post on, in my free time, for FUN. additionally, don't insult me by implying (or stating blatantly) that the only reason why I love Woolf and HER WORK is because i had a FANATIC teacher who loved her and felt that i had to, in turn. first of all, i am not a lemming, like so many other people(please refer to Dave Matthews Band song "Ants Marching"). i did not let my teacher dictate who i loved and who i didn't love, what literature i liked and didn't like, etc. secondly, just because a teacher is a "fanatic" does not undermine their ability to inspire and teach. it is not a fault/flaw/disadvantage on my teacher's part, that she happened to love Woolf and her writings and knew an awful lot about her. she (meaning my teacher) just so happens to know a lot about a lot of things. thirdly, i never said that because i love Woolf, everyone else should. don't project your misinterpretations onto me. i think it is pretty damn natural for someone to want to share something that they love or are passionate about. i see absolutely nothing wrong in that. and it is perfectly FINE if you don't like Woolf. i know a ton of people who don't like her and even i don't like to read her on my own because she's just too hard... she writes beautifully but sometimes it's too elusive. but my point is that i really enjoy talking about Woolf and sharing my passion for her writing with other people. that's all. fourthly, you're a hypocrite. you basically insult me by saying that i like Woolf bc i had a teacher who loved her and felt that i should too. then you go on to say that one of the reasons why you don't like Woolf is because she has no "mass appeal." what the hell does that have anything to do with it? Woolf was not writing for "mass appeal." i would not base my judgments and opinions on the degree of "mass appeal" a person/thing/etc has. in fact, if anything, i would do the opposite. the more "mass appeal" the more i am turned away. bc again, i am not a lemming. i dislike "harry potter," i didn't like "memoirs of a geisha," i really don't like Toni Morrisson or Shakespeare, etc. be wary of anything that has "mass appeal" is what i say. learn to form your own opinions, without the crowd. lastly, i don't know Angela Carter. and you'll find this hard to believe, probably, but i'm actually pretty sick of "post-feminist bull" as well. i'm all for womens rights and shit but a feminazi, i am not. |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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congratulations!
you said something good. well formed, well written and well argued. one or two things. mr? i am female. yes, thats right, with real breasts and everything. don't know dave matthews band. US college rock never did appeal. Shakespeare was great. don't even think about arguing that one. that is all. you can go back to reading your Woolf now. the ever condescending dom oh yeah...irritating, confusing or just a general annoyance (althoughi think i covered that with irritating...)i may be. but not hypocritical .never. take that back. that was rather upsetting. |
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Princess Vee |
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oops, sorry, i don't know why i thought you were a Mr.
i do apologize for that. you don't think you are hypocritical? my dear, we ALL are. to a certain extent. are you sure you want to claim you are not? |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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i think you did have reasons for assuming i was male. pehaps you would care to divulge them.
now, i honestly do not think i am hypocritical. perhaps i wasn't clear enough for you. if something has mass appeal, it is usually for the reason that it is good. there are of course, instances you could quote when it has not been the case...(WWII etc) but in the case of literature...if the majority think it is good, it is for a reason. i agree with you when you say that being a sheep (or a marching ant) is not a good thing, but the point i was trying to make is that it seemed to me you only had a love of Woolf because your teacher did. can you honestly say that if your teacher had said: 'don't bother with it, she's crap' you would have read anymore than neccessary? i do not think Woolf was a particularly observant, or skilled writer. how does this make me hypocritical? perhaps, in the interest of keeping to the point of this message board, you could educate me by telling me how Woolf was a good writer. perhapsyou do not wish to, i don't know. i am interested in hearing your opinion on her skills as a writer. if you wish, i could tell you why i don't think she was particularly clever or skilled at what she did. my rsons come from a very personal point of veiw...but i am not going to waste my time typing them up again, unless you genuinely want to humour me...i mean hear me. dom is short for dominique. just so there is no confusion. dom. oh yeah...we are all hypocriticl to a certain extent...IN CERTAIN CASES. i do not think this is one of them. perhaps i should have said...i do not think i am being hypocritical...in ithis instance. that better? |
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Princess Vee |
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HEY! Dominique like the character in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead"
quite possibly one of the COOLEST female characters ever to come to life for me. anyway. moving on. i'm actually kinda sick of Woolf right now. you're adament about not liking her and like i said before, that's fine. let's find something else to talk about! there are a lot of stupid people in this world. (i believe there is a CB essay on this) i NEVER trust "mass appeal" even in literature. and yes, i like your newly phrased sentence at the end, better. thanks. |
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thescarlettpimpernel |
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glad you liked my name.
so...why do you not trust mass appeal? if i remember correctly, i think you said something in another post, about how you liked the bible. now thats a good one. of course the best selling book, ever, is the bible. millions of people own a copy. i think i have three copies. in hotel rooms across the world you will invariably find a bible. this, we might say is something which has a VERY big following. the word of God. so you never trust mass appeal? tell me, did you stumble across the bible by yourself? did you just pull it off of the bookshelf, without any outside opinions and begin to read? to be honest, i don't think so. you may have. you may tell me you did, but i don't think so. you never trust mass appeal, but you like the bible...like you said...we can all be hypocritical...dear. |
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Princess Vee |
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okay so i made a mistake.
this phenomenon called "mass appeal" might initially pique an interest or rather, more of a curiosity, in me, but will not in any way dictate my own conclusion/opinion/judgment of whatever it is. i don't remember what exactly i said about the Bible but i doubt i said i "liked it." i read it because i want to know what exactly i'm "embracing" by labeling myself as Christian but it is yet to be determined, what i think of it. i mean, whether or not i believe in it, that is. and i wouldn't exactly say that it was the "mass appeal" of the Bible that got me to read it. it was my religion. i will very clearly say that i am a hypocrite. i never denied that. you were the one who did, remember? |
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Julia Roberts is playing Ms Woolf in some soon to be released film.
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Princess Vee |
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... what?
not that they even slightly resemble each other... what's the movie about? is it a biography of Woolf? |
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I don't know. There has been a round of Julia worship going on in the media lately. I've tried to ignore it, but that little bit of information caught my ear as I was switching radio stations. That's all I heard.
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Andy |
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I used to have a good friend who's girlfriend was studying english lit.... as an avid (nay insatiable) reader I used to borrow some books off her, I got into some great stuff this way... Samuel Beckett was very funny.
I got lent this.... at some point on page 1 someone said lets go "to the lighthouse".... I just couldnt go on I'm afraid... it may be good, but I didn't notice any planetary bombardments. |
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